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Tarheel

Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 16565 Location: South Boston
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| 1093ras wrote: | Read the obituary for this wonderful idea on today's GV front page.
Joe, you have my condolences...and my gratitude for proposing it and for voting for it.
Funny thing, on the same front page was a picture and story about the Culinary Arts students.
So now some can cook, some can fight fires, some can fix a race engine, some can study horses or horticulture or nursing or college prep...
but not all of them will have to learn to balance a checkbook, manage credit or invest their money. |
Where is your famous optimism, Ras???
I did not read that as an obit.
I read it as a wait to start a new program until we square away our budget....reasonable and responsible....I applaud them for it.
Good idea...and I think it will be a reality...just at the right time. _________________ Among natural rights are these: first, a right to life; secondly, to liberty; thirdly to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. ---> Samuel Adams |
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wildhandyman

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 7958
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| millworker wrote: | | Anybody, Why do the taxpayer have to pay for the stuff? This free and appropriate stuff has gotten out of control. Put the brakes on, somebody. |
We buy our calculators at the dollar store. Only $1 and they work great, but somehow I don't see the school system shopping at the dollar store for calculators and supplies.
This Personal Finance class should be part of the regular curriculum for every student in this country. The schools must be teaching something useless that can be removed... perhaps Algebra or French? _________________ _________________
I think therefore I am Conservative.
Don't let your brain outrun your Common Sense.
All the government has to offer is what they take from you. |
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AndyR Site Admin

Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 9850 Location: .5 miles south of the Gobbler's Knob Airport
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| wildhandyman wrote: | | We buy our calculators at the dollar store. Only $1 and they work great, but somehow I don't see the school system shopping at the dollar store for calculators and supplies. |
They need scientific calculators with graphing capabilities for the higher math classes. The accepted standard is the Texas Instruments TI-83. _________________ A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will in time produce a people as base as itself.
~Joseph Pulitzer |
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wildhandyman

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 7958
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| AndyR wrote: | | wildhandyman wrote: | | We buy our calculators at the dollar store. Only $1 and they work great, but somehow I don't see the school system shopping at the dollar store for calculators and supplies. |
They need scientific calculators with graphing capabilities for the higher math classes. The accepted standard is the Texas Instruments TI-83. |
Yes, I can see the wisdom in spending $100 for a calculator to teach the students how to balance a checkbook. Maybe the problem is that the members of the school board never took a Personal Finance course when they were young so now they have no concept of the value of money. _________________ _________________
I think therefore I am Conservative.
Don't let your brain outrun your Common Sense.
All the government has to offer is what they take from you. |
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AndyR Site Admin

Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 9850 Location: .5 miles south of the Gobbler's Knob Airport
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| wildhandyman wrote: | | Yes, I can see the wisdom in spending $100 for a calculator to teach the students how to balance a checkbook. |
I didn't realize you were speaking specifically about the proposed personal finance class. Sorry for the mistake.
I'm sure they would use 10 key printing calculators for that. _________________ A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will in time produce a people as base as itself.
~Joseph Pulitzer |
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Joe
Joined: 01 Nov 2007 Posts: 364 Location: South Boston
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| The class is arguably the best class they will ever take at the school. College bound or not the basics skills taught are needed by everyone. The focus has been on the money aspect but in reality the class is just another class that has the same general expenses as a typical lab class with a few extra items that may be needed. The major cost is the cost of the teachers but in many cases teacher positions can be shifted around so that there may not be a true increase in 4 teachers. You could make the same cost analysis of any class and come up that it is expensive. Again people choose to focus on what they want to find to complain about rather than the good the class will bring. I daresay there is not one child that will not be better off having taken the class. |
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iteach

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 2322 Location: B-Wood, Baby
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Don't give up. I agree it is a class that all students should take. _________________ Sister to sister we will always be,
A couple of nuts off the family tree.
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wildhandyman

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 7958
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| AndyR wrote: | | wildhandyman wrote: | | Yes, I can see the wisdom in spending $100 for a calculator to teach the students how to balance a checkbook. |
I didn't realize you were speaking specifically about the proposed personal finance class. Sorry for the mistake. |
AndyR, I thought you were being facetious. If you reread your own post from my warped point of view, your will see that your post was very funny.
I guess they would need a printing calculator to get the job done and not one of those nice dollar store items. Even though I am all for cutting the spending that we do, and thus cutting taxes, providing good calculators to students so they could get the most out of a Personal Finance class would be money well spent by the community to have a better money-educated class of people out in the world after graduation. The existence of a half dozen (or more) payday loan establishments in the Halifax/Centerville/South Boston corridor is a disgrace and a testament to the government schools not doing their basic job. A Personal Finance class is much more important than a student playing games in school. _________________ _________________
I think therefore I am Conservative.
Don't let your brain outrun your Common Sense.
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millworker
Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 2001
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Gasp, they could that simple math with pen and paper. _________________ The lord gives, government taxes it away. |
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chitchat

Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 717 Location: Vernon Hill
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Joe
Joined: 01 Nov 2007 Posts: 364 Location: South Boston
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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I never said they need the calculators or the textbooks. Lets just get the class passed and we will work out the details. Look at the stats and details as outlined below.
I cannot believe the idea of not having the class is even an issue.
Suggested Halifax County Schools
Personal Finance Curriculum
One semester class required for graduation taught to 10th, 11th, or 12th grade students covering the following:
Investments
Banking
Credit
Savings
Consumer skills
Insurance
Taxes
Buying a house and car
Budgeting
Jumpstart Coalition 2006
Survey of High School Students
Average score for Virginia students on the Jumpstart Coalition Survey of Financial Literacy is 55%.
Only 5.2% of Virginia students scored a C or better on the Jumpstart Coalition Survey of Financial Literacy.
Conversely, 94% of Virginia students achieved a score of D or lower on the 2006 Jumpstart Coalition Survey of Financial Literacy.
Visa 2005 Survey
of High School Parents
74% of parents ranked developing good personal financial skills as a concern for their childrens futures.
70% of parents surveyed said their child has not had any formal training in money management.
76% said that schools should be required to teach money management skills.
Hartford Financial Services
2007 Survey of College Students
Less than one-quarter of students say they are prepared to deal with financial challenges after graduation.
76% wish they had more help preparing for their financial future
Half of students surveyed say that parents teach them about financial matters.
Additional Compelling Statistics
75% of students admit to making financial mistakes in college
52% of Americans do not review their credit report yearly
36% of Americans do not have a budget
63% of college students acquired a credit card before the age of 19.
53% of college students who have a credit card say that they did not receive appropriate education on the use of a credit card
Current Reality
Financial literacy objectives are assigned to a variety of middle and high school courses.
Financial Literacy objectives are covered in regards to their relationship to designated course objectives.
Financial Literacy objectives are not the focus of instruction.
The Solution
Teach financial literacy objectives in a comprehensive course.
Make financial literacy objectives the focus of instruction.
Ensure that every child receives the financial education they need in order to be a contributing member of society.
Require a course in Personal Finance for every student in Halifax County as a requirement to graduate.
Name a class more beneficial, |
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gray ghost
Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 196 Location: Halifax County
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Joe, I think the class is a wonderful idea; my military experience has brought me into contact with some soldiers who think that as long as they have checks in their checkbooks, then they are ok to write checks (even though they are out of money.)
Furthermore, if a young person trashes their credit score early in life, it's an uphill struggle from there; they may never be able to obtain routine loans at acceptable interest rates.
Joe, is the class being held up now only because of the budget issues outlined in the local paper this week, or is there more to the story? |
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haligirl Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure that the budget issues may play a role, but I still think one of the issues will be with whether or not the class is considered CL and offered for dual enrollment. The students and parents are obsessed with being at the top of the class, and no one is going to want to take a class that doesn't further this goal. Remember folks, PE is CL so that it can be used to satisfy the PE requirement for a 2 year college degree. |
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ginblossom

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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll be glad when high school goes back to being high school. Our main job should be preparing students for what comes after college. Whether it's work, trade school, college, or military depends on the student. They are not all at the same level (maturity nor academic). |
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granny

Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 1625 Location: In the middle
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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As a mother of 3 grown children....AMEN AND AMEN ginblossom.
High school should be just that. The courses where great the way they were. Sometimes too much of a good thing can be bad. I think that this is what has happened since Stapleton came along.
I know the government has a lot to say about who, what and how a subject is taught , but we have gotten WAY away from that at the high school.
When you can teach racing, culinary arts, esquine and all of these other BS courses and can't teach a kid to write a check and pay his bills; apply for a loan for a house, etc, something is terribly wrong with this situation. The courses for trade were good courses and Home Ec back "in the day,"
but we have gotten way beyond that.
I think other than a mass riot by all parents in the county is going to be the only way to wake up the school board. Their first awakening should be to figure a way to get out of the 4 year contract they just agreed to for Stapleton. The second thing that they should do is to grow a set and stand up for what is right for Halifax County and our future....the children.
I am stepping down from my soap box now......... _________________ It is useless to hold a person to anything he says while he's in love, drunk, or running for office. (borrowed from Berkley Priest) |
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