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Blackcat
Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Posts: 1101 Location: SoBo
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Ogy wrote: | | I don't mean when they found the ritualistic burials. I mean where they found burials along routes nomads traveled -- people that died on the way to wherever looking for food stuffs. Though, you're right, they have found burial sites that indicated neanderthals practiced ritualistic burial aka religion. |
Oh, I see. _________________ "Those who have you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire. |
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perspective

Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 1861 Location: Born, raised and plan to die in Halifax County
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| 1093ras wrote: |
I can accept that God uses us to make a point, or prove a point. He made us, He can take us out at any time. If someone else's misfortune turns one person toward a path that will reconcile them with Christ, then I understand that.
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I can see many instances where good comes from bad......but I could never, ever (for myself) accept the notion that God had caused it to happen to make a point. In my opinion, if God did stuff like that, well, that would lessen the sacrifice made by Jesus on the cross. I mean, if God is going around and just taking out whomever he chooses to help someone else come to him, then Jesus's sacrifice wasn't such a big deal. Jesus willingly went, but God is just going about to and fro taking out whomever to prove a point without them even having a chance to agree or not agree to be sacrificed? I mean...I know a LOT of people believe this, and I used to many moons ago...but just can't and don't now.
Again...just my opinion. _________________ I wished to live deliberately, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life....I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life. |
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Blackcat
Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Posts: 1101 Location: SoBo
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:58 am Post subject: |
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I will show more respect for your opinion this time around, Perspective!
You have as much right to it as a Hindu, Muslum, Buddhist or Zoroastrian has to theirs.
So let me respond a little more generally this time.
I think there are a great many people whose personal beliefs sometimes are at odds with the Bible, for any number of reasons. They approach the Bible as they would a smorgasbord. They like to pick and choose what parts suit them from the parts they don't like. For instance, someone may support anti-homosexual legislation because homosexuality is supposedly condemned in scripture. But those very same books that condemn same-sex relations also, for example, require people to stone disobedient children to death or condemn someone who wears a shirt made of two kinds of fabric. No special emphasis is placed on one of these laws over the others---they are all equal in Biblical law. Yet, some people will outlaw gay relations while at the same time eating a ham sandwich on the Sabbath.
Other people will find that parts of the Bible simply don't match their own personal, idiosyncratic view of what their God must be like and their personal beliefs about what he may or may not do. For these people, it is important to pretend that the Bible says nothing that contradicts their own particular point of view, or they will go through convoluted arguments in an effort to explain that an uncomfortable passage actually means something entirely different. Or, like the cherry-pickers in the first example, they ferret out those parts of scripture that support their view and ignore the others. I might hesitantly suggest that the personal God of such people is actually one of their own invention.
To put this in the short form, what one would like to believe may be at complete odds with what the Bible actually says.
Obviously these approaches work for these individuals and if they are satisfied with them then there really isn't too much to say.
But what I would like to discuss is what the Bible actually says, not what people would prefer that it says or what they deny that it says. _________________ "Those who have you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire. |
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perspective

Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 1861 Location: Born, raised and plan to die in Halifax County
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Blackcat wrote: |
But what I would like to discuss is what the Bible actually says, not what people would prefer that it says or what they deny that it says. |
Well, I will tell you this.....and it is my mantra.....always will be.....
EVERYONE picks and chooses........I've said it a thousand times and will stick to it. Most people do not want to admit it.
I'll also tell you why we all pick and choose......because if you take everything in the Bible literally and try to live it all out, you cannot do it. It's impossible.
I take the approach that the 'intent' of Jesus/God is one thing.......the words written down by people is another. And I get that from the way my 'innards' (head, heart and gut) lead me. That's the best explanation I can give for my reasoning the spirit of God out the way I do. _________________ I wished to live deliberately, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. I did not wish to live what was not life....I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life. |
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Blackcat
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| perspective wrote: |
I take the approach that the 'intent' of Jesus/God is one thing.......the words written down by people is another. And I get that from the way my 'innards' (head, heart and gut) lead me. That's the best explanation I can give for my reasoning the spirit of God out the way I do. |
And as I said, I can have no argument with that sort of thing! Your religion is a very personal one that you have developed for yourself. It is, as you say, based less on the Bible and more on your own gut feelings, intuitions and conclusions. And if it works for you and satisfies you, that's absolutely dandy! _________________ "Those who have you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire. |
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Blackcat
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| perspective wrote: |
I'll also tell you why we all pick and choose......because if you take everything in the Bible literally and try to live it all out, you cannot do it. It's impossible. |
True enough, especially when it comes to the many horrific laws the Bible imposes. Thank goodness humans have more humanity than God!
(Nevertheless, if someone makes a specific claim about the nature of God, they can do one of two things: They can show where their claim is supported by scripture. If the preponderance of evidence supports them, no sweat. For instance, someone may say that God loves cheese. But if there is only one instance where scriptures say so and 155 that say God hates cheese. The claim would seem to be baseless in that case. Or the person simply admits that their claim is not supported by scripture and is instead a completely personal, idiosyncratic view. Against the latter there can be no argument.)
By the way, you would probably absolutely love this book: The Year of Living Biblically.
http://www.ajjacobs.com/books/yolb.asp
It's one of the most fascinating, funny and moving books I've read in the past year. I highly recommend it! _________________ "Those who have you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire. |
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Ogy
Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 447
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Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Blackcat wrote: | | perspective wrote: |
I'll also tell you why we all pick and choose......because if you take everything in the Bible literally and try to live it all out, you cannot do it. It's impossible. |
True enough, especially when it comes to the many horrific laws the Bible imposes. Thank goodness humans have more humanity than God!
(Nevertheless, if someone makes a specific claim about the nature of God, they can do one of two things: They can show where their claim is supported by scripture. If the preponderance of evidence supports them, no sweat. For instance, someone may say that God loves cheese. But if there is only one instance where scriptures say so and 155 that say God hates cheese. The claim would seem to be baseless in that case. Or the person simply admits that their claim is not supported by scripture and is instead a completely personal, idiosyncratic view. Against the latter there can be no argument.)
By the way, you would probably absolutely love this book: The Year of Living Biblically.
http://www.ajjacobs.com/books/yolb.asp
It's one of the most fascinating, funny and moving books I've read in the past year. I highly recommend it! | "That's just how it is" arguments are lazy. That's just what they are. _________________ "You are just a lying, cheating, smart mouthed kid who has obviously has [no] respect and socialization issues." -- Tarheel on me |
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Blackcat
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Ogy wrote: | | "That's just how it is" arguments are lazy. That's just what they are. |
About as satisfying as the parent who answers their kid's questions with "Because". _________________ "Those who have you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire. |
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1093ras Site Admin

Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 13075 Location: from Buffalo Junction to Riverdale and back
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's right. And usually a parent answers "Because" because they either have already answered the question/request or they are tired of the conversation or just because that is the correct answer. _________________ Blessed are they who can give without remembering and take without forgetting
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Blackcat
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| 1093ras wrote: | | Yeah, that's right. And usually a parent answers "Because" because they either have already answered the question/request or they are tired of the conversation or just because that is the correct answer. |
You forgot a couple of excellent possibilities: 1. They don't know the answer. 2. They can't be bothered to answer. _________________ "Those who have you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire. |
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